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greg77 a écrit :Opel devrait sortir un nouvel speedster avec un v6 opel biensur ca ferait un carton. Pour contrer le futur speedster de VW. Mais opel est frileux y'a meme plus de V6 diesel.

vu le bide qu'ils ont fait avec l'Opel speedster je les comprends.

Ca reste une question de prix !

Rappelle-toi qu'au moment de sa commercialisation un Speedster atmo valait -en prix catalogue- à peine 10% de moins qu'une Elise...

senior a écrit :Rappelle-toi qu'au moment de sa commercialisation un Speedster atmo valait -en prix catalogue- à peine 10% de moins qu'une Elise...

33 000 euros a l'epoque pour une atmo de 150 ch ! Ca faisait quand meme cher pour une LIR de marque opel .

greg77 a écrit :

senior a écrit :Rappelle-toi qu'au moment de sa commercialisation un Speedster atmo valait -en prix catalogue- à peine 10% de moins qu'une Elise...

33 000 euros a l'epoque pour une atmo de 150 ch ! Ca faisait quand meme cher pour une LIR de marque opel .

pas vraiment, fabrication a la main, petites quantités, châssis lotus

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senior a écrit :Rappelle-toi qu'au moment de sa commercialisation un Speedster atmo valait -en prix catalogue- à peine 10% de moins qu'une Elise...

Qu'une Elise S1 à la sortie du speedster, non?

speedturbo33 a écrit :

senior a écrit :Rappelle-toi qu'au moment de sa commercialisation un Speedster atmo valait -en prix catalogue- à peine 10% de moins qu'une Elise...

Qu'une Elise S1 à la sortie du speedster, non?

L'Elise S1 120 cv valait 26 370 euros à sa sortie et la S2 120 cv 34 100 (08/2002).

La S1 était quand même un must pour l'amateur de sportive light peut fortuné! Pour comparer à l'époque la Renault spyder valait 30415 euros et la Hommell Berlinbette RS 34760 euros!

Source automobile-sportive.com

speedturbo33 a écrit :

senior a écrit :Rappelle-toi qu'au moment de sa commercialisation un Speedster atmo valait -en prix catalogue- à peine 10% de moins qu'une Elise...

Qu'une Elise S1 à la sortie du speedster, non?

Non, comparé à la S2 au début de sa commercialisation

le problème est qu'Opel a lancé un ovni mais la marque n'a aucune image "sportive" ce qui a du déconcerter les éventuelles acheteurs.


les concessions non plus n'ont pas aidé, SAV et suivi déplorable, et étaient frileuses a bloquer de la place (souvent longtemps) dans leur concession pour le speedy.

un article intéressant (et pas très rassurant), pour les anglophones :

http://skiddmark.com/2012/04/the-lotus- ... ppen-next/

Je n'ai malheureusement pas réussi à ouvrir ton lien mais celui-ci est intéressant


12/04/2012

extrait : "Alongside the anxiety there is hope. One company that has expressed an interest in buying Lotus, Genii Capital, told me today that if they were successful, they would keep production in Norfolk."

http://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2012-04- ... for-lotus/

Autre source : http://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/news/bus ... _1_1349005

senior a écrit :Je n'ai malheureusement pas réussi à ouvrir ton lien mais celui-ci est intéressant

il suffit juste de cliquer sur le lien

Merci tu es trop bon avec moi

J'ai beau cliquer sur le lien, je tombe sur une page qui ne s'ouvre pas...

MOi ça marche !

Tu t'en fous, de toute façon tu entraves que dalle

Now i can read english.
Don't you remenber ?
Last year i took lessons

Bon, eh bien c'est toujours ça... en attendant mieux

senior a écrit :Bon, eh bien c'est toujours ça... en attendant mieux

Ben c'est pour la Lotus des prochaines années.

senior a écrit :Tu t'en fous, de toute façon tu entraves que dalle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N4DMW5NWsE

senior a écrit :Merci tu es trop bon avec moi

J'ai beau cliquer sur le lien, je tombe sur une page qui ne s'ouvre pas...

C'est con parce que l'article est plutôt bien foutu et résume bien la situation et les hypothèses à aujourd'hui

Anybody following the ongoing story of the cataclysm wrenching at the relationships between Group Lotus, its adoptive parent Proton, and Lotus F1 Team will be used to reading opinions so wide and varied that even the most extreme soap-opera storyline might seem tame in comparison.

More than ever, this week’s musings of allegations, contradictions, suppositions and bile have been dominating automotive content on the blogosphere, Twitter and mainstream media, but at the heart of this lie real issues relating to a much-loved marque, that now overshadow the livelihoods of many around the world.

Latest position

So what is really going on? And what, if anything, can be done to keep good people building great cars in Hethel?

We’ve spent the past 24 hours speaking to both sides of the situation, both here in the UK and Malaysia, gaining insight into the thinking of Lotus’ new owners and the steps they are now taking.

DRB-HICOM, who now control Lotus’s owner, Proton, were originally formed by combining The Heavy Industries Corporation of Malaysia Berhad (HICOM) and Diversified Resources Berhad (DRB). Their mission is to make Malaysia a preferred automotive hub, for the import and assembly of vehicles and subsequent distribution across South East Asia.

Unsurprisingly, Lotus do not feature in the plans of such a business.

Malaysia has dropped behind Thailand and Indonesia in terms of the volume of vehicles produced and may even slip behind Vietnam. In its purchase of Proton, DRB-HICOM is focused on developing the most effective business plan to return Proton (and therefore Malaysia) to the top spot and removing anything that might hinder that goal.

As such we learned two things yesterday; DRB-HICOM has installed a new senior management team in Proton (replacing Proton MD Syed Zainal) and the decision has already been taken to cease all current and future investment into Group Lotus operations.

Moreover, the relentless negative attention about the sportscar maker’s future mean that the order has also been put-out to either sell Lotus – and to do so quickly – or to simply close-up shop and put an end to the car maker and the losses it incurs.

This is confirmed from our fact finding earlier this week. We also understand Lotus CEO Dany Bahar is involved in discussions (he’s certainly been noticeably absent from any outgoing publicity these past few weeks) to quickly find a buyer and establish a role for himself in any ongoing business.

As viewed from Kuala Lumpur and Putrajaya (the Malaysian federal capital), the situation has escalated to one of national embarrassment and Proton’s new keepers have been told to deal with the situation and to do it swiftly.

* * *

Turning to how Lotus might be saved and suddenly the situation becomes far more contentious.

Of the three most obvious candidates, two (Genii Capital and Tony Fernandes) might both be able to allow the Lotus name to continue, but face strong opposition from within Malaysia’s political and commercial elite; Genii because of the perception that they were participants in a conspiracy to acquire Lotus through stealth, and Fernandes because of the negative way that he has sought to engage Lotus, especially on the back of his acquisition of Caterham Cars.

Unlike Genii, Fernandes does enjoy some support from a number of junior Proton executives, but it is the establishment calling the shots and they’ve made their position very clear.

This leaves Pang Qingnian’s “Youngman” Group. Youngman, based in Jinhua, China, which already has a significant working relationship with both Lotus and Proton, producing a handful of “engineered by Lotus” models, and is both financially and structurally capable of making the investment required to acquire Lotus and to take it in whatever direction it chooses.

What’s not so clear is which direction this would be and how it would impact the many hundreds of dedicated employees in the UK, Europe, Asia and the USA.

In an ideal world, Lotus needs to find someone with the time, passion, resource, and above all, realism, to not only deal with the enormity of the task but to also consider how the marque can be carried forward to future generations.

One of the biggest challenges facing such a niche business is continuity; just as TVR became nothing without Peter Wheeler, so Lotus has waned without Colin Chapman. Much, of course, relates to money, but far more has to do with personality and leadership.

* * *

But this is only one difficulty facing any potential “white knight”.

Of more immediate concern will be how to justify the type of investment required that might allow Lotus to regain its reputation and future revenue potential. By this, I’m not referring to the recent multi-car ‘New Era’ plan but rather, a return to what the company is good at; building light-weight, affordable sports cars.

Lotus has a new V8 engine on the dyno, a stunning new test track at Hethel and some real engineering ‘substance’ behind all the recent marketing razzmatazz.

It is going to need courage, cash and above-all, a human face to deliver a return to key brand values and to rebuild the relationships with staff, customers, dealers and the media. This is what makes a business out of a brand.

For Lotus, time is now critical, and no-doubt over the weekend, there will be yet more derision cast in Hethel’s direction. And whilst we, the curious, read and reply to posts and threads on the internet, it’s important to remember that there are others who will be wondering when they’ll receive their next pay cheque.

As for the future, if the Lotus legacy is to continue, all I can do is to hope that it will be under the guiding hand of someone capable of instilling in the hearts and minds of men, women and children everywhere, that in an uncertain world, one thing they can aspire to is that some day, they too might own a Lotus.


et en encadré

What next for Lotus?
None of us should be in any doubt how valuable Lotus Cars could be, under the right management. But it needs the scale and industrial processes of a major car maker, so that the undeniably talented folk at Hethel can do what they do best – make the best handling, most rewarding sportscars that money can buy.

With today’s customer expecting great performance, all the creature comforts AND a 7-year warranty, it’s simply not possible to deliver this at mainstream prices without significant economies of scale. This is something that has been hurting Lotus for quite some time and whilst financing is part of the problem, it makes no sense to re-invent the wheel and carry the burden of being a start-up.

Lotus need a new owner, someone who understands their brand, can use the synergies of their existing business to bridge the investment gap and keep one of the world’s best known marques open for business.

We know it’s possible. Just look at the success Volkswagen has had with Bentley, or BMW with Rolls-Royce and MINI. Our most iconic car makers can thrive in the right environment. And with Lotus back in Formula 1, the brand is now reaching the eyeballs of more than 500 million TV viewers worldwide.

Yesterday, a Lotus Exige S trounced the old Exige Cup 260′s lap time around the Hethel test track, recording a time of 1 min 32.68 seconds (Exige cup 260 – 1 min 37.90 seconds). If that’s not progress, I don’t know what is. Let’s hope we see plenty more of such achievements in the years to come.

arnocri, c'est la même chose que posté à la page précédente
http://www.myspeedster.ch/forum/viewtop ... 731#815731

CaptainBigleux a écrit :un article intéressant (et pas très rassurant), pour les anglophones :
http://skiddmark.com/2012/04/the-lotus- ... ppen-next/

jeremief a écrit :arnocri, c'est la même chose que posté à la page précédente
http://www.myspeedster.ch/forum/viewtop ... 731#815731

CaptainBigleux a écrit :un article intéressant (et pas très rassurant), pour les anglophones :
http://skiddmark.com/2012/04/the-lotus- ... ppen-next/

oui, je te remercie, mais sénior n'arrivant pas à ouvrir le lien....

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jeremief a écrit :Senior doit avoir deux mains gauches.
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jeremief a écrit :Senior doit avoir deux mains gauches.
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toi, ce n'est que depuis 2011, imagine pour nous le calvaire

Zing a écrit :

jeremief a écrit :Senior doit avoir deux mains gauches.
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Il est fou !

jeremief a écrit :Senior doit avoir deux mains gauches.
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merde